Hi Tadas love your posts. They have a lot of things going for them over conventional surface finishes. If my hardwood floor contractor has not used this line, will he be able to do properly? Per your recommendation the Loba supra WB or AT is highly recommended. One that we use and recommend has zero VOCs. Hi Tadas, I have some step treads in spotted gum and would like to use a water based polyurethane Loba product, can I spray this product? Do you think it can be used on the natural trestle table from restoration hardware? I bought rugs & runners to hide them but now as you mentioned I need to remove them as this is causing another issue with the colour. If youre open to a non-conventional finish approach, appreciate the many benefits they offer and can live with the minor downsides, then one of the two hardwax oil systems above could be perfect for your home. ), is super durable, will hold up exceptionally well to UV light and sunlight, and is very easy to clean and maintain. Glista will have more build. Hi Tadas, Im a little confused by my quotes for Loba Easy finish. Below are some photos of an area of my finished coating on American Black Cherry wood with Loba WS EasyPrime plus 3 top coats of Loba 2K Supra AT in semi-gloss. We have applied Magic Oil in a busy commercial/restaurant space and it has held up extremely well. Although the Loba 2K Supra AT is supposed to reach a full cure in 5 days, I and others have noted that this product does continue to harden for several weeks. Unfortunately, as with all floors, we have gaps and in some areas slight movement. Anti-slip in accordance with BGR 181 and achieves DIN 51130 rating R 9. (We will be staining our oak strip floors a medium brown/gunstock color.) At any rate, if the finisher was missing the metal can of hardener to mix with the base, then that is primarily what is causing your problems. No idea how many coats or wait time etc What I can answer is everything else, when we moved back in, when spots appeared etc The other issue I think we will encounter is responses from the Australian Loba reps. Not sure if thats the one youre looking at or the cheaper single component option. Most of your displayed work and comparisons are on oak or very hard wood. Recently, the homeowners decided to move back into the original house. @HU-231824251 I wish you could be here to see the utterly confused look on my face. I prefer the TOUGHEST of the tough = Bona Traffic HD. We have reached out to Australia Loba reps but they cant explain the issue & quick to blame us. Whether you want to follow it or not. Clearly he wasnt & is blaming us & the product- says the floors were perfect when he finished & before we moved back home. It is cheaper to repair/recoat a floor like yours than it is to go to court and lose. I am trying to decide between Rubio Monocoat vs. Pallmans Magic Oil, with no stain. THANK YOU for your detailed and easy to understand guide for choosing a hardwood floor finish! Loba manufactures extremely good finishes though and come very recommended. If it is going over a stained oak floor, will the top-coats appearances be noticeably different from one another? Google nutzt diese Daten zu beliebigen eigenen Zwecken sowie zur Profilbildung. His advice was that the finish cures so quickly that you need at least two and maybe three people helping in order to do edge work plus center rolling to maintain the wet edge before it starts to cure and/or pull tannin. Here is what I'm looking at. I am also getting stairs (including handrails & post) done along with this. 100 sqm oak were renovated with, 11474 Application 2K InvisibleProtect AT 190805, 11474 BGR 181 R9 wood LOBADUR 2K Invisible Protect AT. Loba makes a UV blocker which can be added to the finish to inhibit the underlying wood from darkening/yellowing. In the past 6 months (2 months longer than expected), I have. 49 Abs. I am using very specialized techniques that would take too long to explain here. Thank you. For finish, either system would work. Technically Loba EasyFinish is a 2 coat system over their primer. If I wanted to darken it slightly with a stain prior to application what type would you recommend? That comes from experience. Ive been on the search for a Rubio-finished engineered floor to use over hydronic heat in our rehabbed farmhouse for several months. Natural texture and feel are similar to untreated wooden floors. Vacuuming of the surface + water-damp tack cloth of the entire floor then go for lunch, 3. Our installer does high end work and mainly uses Loba products. It has excellent chemical resistance and durability. Supra AT or WB. We are replacing carpet with hardwood in our family room, dining room and hallway. 44ff DSGVO Einwilligung (Art. I think you might be able to get the finish tested to prove this theory and then legally pursue payment with damages and court fees covered if he does not take responsibilty. If you use NordicSeal you WILL SEE pinkand lots of it. Correct, sealer is not required with Loba Invisible, but you must use a very thick first coat and get it on at lightning speed to prevent tannin pull if you don't use a sealer on oak. Have a look at WD Flooring. I haven't tried to fix it, but it might be able to be buffed out. can i use the red Diablo pad between coats instead? We removed the old wood floors and replaced them with new, narrow plank white oak to honor the age of the home. We had another floor refinisher posting at Houzz a couple of years ago who tried the no-primer approach with Invisible and was so unhappy with the amount of tannin pull he got that he sanded it all off and re-started with primer. The Bona NordicSeal = white frosting. The best bet would be to use a stain over the sanded wood, before applying the finish. For background, I have unfinished glued-on engineered wood with 4mm wear layer, thats finished in-place natural. This looks like the way to go. This causes a white blemish which is UNMOVEABLE.because it is BELOW the layer of finish (sandwiched between the two actually). How long ago did the 'latest' spot occur? Especially for a decision that will last for 14+ years. No we havent had issues with white lines using Loba. 16% is high. takes and average of 1 hour for me to coat. The first week was very bad. That is an issue. The rug is new & only been on the floor for 2 weeks ( the floors were done 3 months ago). For those who work with imperial measurements 94 square meters = (roughly) 1008sf: 1. 3rd image, use a soft cloth and buff it out or leave it alone, it's normal. If we were doing it, we would make a sample close to the stairs to get as close a match as possible. We havent used Supra AT on a project yet but we have been experimenting with it. 56-62, 71254 Ditzingen Genutzte Technologien: Cookies (_pk_id, pk_ref, pk_ses) Verarbeitete personenbezogene Daten: IP-Adresse, [bitte weitere benennen, soweit bekannt] Rechtsgrundlage: Art. Well, spring of 2020 was finally that time! 35K views 3 years ago If you want a natural hardwood floor look, check out Loba's Invisible Protect at City Floor Supply! You can use Natural colored stain too which will give you the look of oil with the benefits of water base. 49 Abs. They also have built in UV inhibitors, so they wont change color anywhere near as quickly as the oil based finishes. This thread is getting so confusing from the different people with problems, though, because the Australian with the Loba failure is different from the person who just posted about Bona who is starting with an unfinished floor. #hardwood The Flooring Company 760 subscribers Subscribe 0 No views 1 minute ago Show more Show more 15:45 A DIY SMOKELESS Fire Pit That Actually. Which system would you recommend for a first timer? PS It may be helpful to note that my floor has varied plank widths of 3-5 & 7. I wouldn't call it scratching--more of a light denting under sharp pressure points. Either would be good but yes the Supra is more durable with the ceramic in it. Sorry for the delay in replying. It was done over time: the earliest was installed in 2002, then about 2006 and then 2010. Google Maps Zweck: Dies ist ein Karten-Dienst Verarbeitendes Unternehmen: Google Ireland Limited, Google Building Gordon House, 4 Barrow St, Dublin, D04 E5W5, Irland Genutzte Technologien: Cookies, API Verarbeitete personenbezogene Daten: Datum und Uhrzeit des Besuchs, Standort-Informationen, IP-Adresse, URL, Nutzungsdaten, Suchbegriffe, Geografischer Standort Rechtsgrundlage: Art. The finish is doing it's job. Finish system for cement-based levelling compounds | Factory Line, At the Paul Smith Store in Mayfair, London approx. Day 6 AFTER the final coat: family can move back in - furniture can be GENTLY placed on the floor - no shoes in the house or hard toys played with on the floor, 12. If I were you, I would set myself a stopping point after 150 square feet or so and take a minute or two to closely examine the finish to see if tannin pull is occurring, and if so, if it is unacceptable. Just wanted to chime in here after living with our Loba Invisible AT-coated red oak floors for a couple of years. Hmmmm switching products mid finish is not advised. I am from the Kansas City area and wish you were too! Call 704-765-9773 or Send us a message. We have a huge dog bed that has black non-slip bumps on the back and those have left a huge patch of bump marks where the bed sites. These finishes can be used in domestic as well as high traffic commercial applications. Please clarify which Loba finish was contracted for use. I want the most durable finish for a kitchen floor that will have water, food, and chemicals accidentally spilled on it. Chip M. BTW I found your Blog very helpful! This is as good as you can get if youre looking for a surface finish that looks great, is low in VOCs, extremely fast cure time (3 days is incredible! He recommended his usual combo for our job which he said looks like silk and everyone loves it. Apparently it is, if you've got red oak flooring. It's easy to lay down and practically foolproof. So keep plugging away. I wanted to share a photo as well since when I was trying to decide on a finish I couldnt find any photos of a rustic floor that had used invisible protect so wanted others who were interested to be able to see. He left the Loba bottle behind but nothing else & has stopped all communication with us since all issues arose. However, we finished the floors with Loba Invisible Protect, which is designed to give the floors great protection while maintaining the raw wood look. I cant tell when you wrote this so I am not sure if things have changed. Sowohl Google als auch staatliche Behrden haben Zugriff auf diese Daten. I live in Oregon so i unfortunately cant hire you here to refinish our floors. Yes you can use the 2 component finish but it will be a LOT more work and cost a lot more to do as it cant be sprayed. 56-62, 71254 Ditzingen Genutzte Technologien: Cookie (lobaOptin) Verarbeitete personenbezogene Daten: keine Rechtsgrundlage: 25 Abs. Better to save it for a few years and then get a maintenance coat done if need be. Did you like the higher VOC oil based finishes better than the 2 component water base ones before they were banned? The only concern I have is your contractor who doesnt have much experience with water-based finishes. It has zero sheen and looks like raw wood. @Mr. Baker You will need strong ventilation and also an N95 mask for each worker to manage the isocyanate fumes that are released from any of Loba's 2K products, including the Invisible Protect. Which I also love. In certain parts of the country you can still get the higher VOC stuff in quarts, they will be able to tell you if thats an option. 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