Brothers squabbling a bit is the inevitable cost of abandonment by our spiritual fathers; all of us have various talents, but none of us have authority to pronounce on theological questions. Ive been reaching out for months; just defending myself against slander, no pattern except that I wish them both welltheyre both Catholics with whom I mostly agree Trent [Horn]: a smart dude I barely know & only spoke with thrice; Taylor: a smart dude I know WELLspoke to him daily for over a year, until he abruptly/mostly stopped replying to texts/calls. Please review Rule 4 and this post before making a top level comment: I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. (Erin Scott/Reuters) Timothy . It had become clear we didnt agree about Taylors evolving position on the SSPX, but I wished to continue: we were still bringing souls to the Church together, which matters most to me, : Im happy to chat, do a show, slap high fives and come together about the (majority) stuff we agree on OR do a civil show about the (minority) stuff we disagree on. David told The Pillar he discovered the alleged plagiarism in mid-March, and set to work documenting what had happened. The plan, Marshall explained, was to speak about what they saw as a strange alliance between "politically correct secularists" in Europe and North America and the Muslims Marshall and Gordon. Sorry, Taylor! NOT TOO LATE! 2 or 3 of them. All the while, Marshall continues to receive Communion, despite rejecting the Roman Pontiff. For my part in some irreverent jesting in the wake of this spat, Im sorry. If youre tired of politically correct mediaspeak, you want to see God back in the public square, and youre not allergic to having a laugh, this is the place to be. Taylor doesn't hold the sedevacantist position. But what God wants is fraternity among us and in a special way, this was the reason for the trip, with our brothers, Abrahams children like us, the Muslims. Ill do it anytime. Yes, Dave and I disagree on stuff. any waypublic or privateto reconcile with TM is good. Hypocrite. Dont worry brother, No worries at all. They are, A) shes calling names, not me B) my daughter has brain surgery in 90 mins and many of these people want to go to war with good guys like FSSP. Whats obtuse is a hermeneutic of intentionalism instead of a hermeneutic of textualism[.] Its not a matter of opinion. You are living in objective sin and leading others into that sin, by your heresy and schism. Marshall: theyre accusing him of the canonical delict of heresy. When Pope Francis issued the early statement on many religions, some theologians complained saying that God only permits many religions. To all those who believed that I was criticizing his/his familys reception of the Eucharist from the SSPX rather than the implicit invitation for the less-educated faithful to frequent SSPX liturgy, note this was not my intention. Im arguing that they failed by not clearly articulating their modernism, The issue is that the texts are to be presumed faithful unless specifically heretical, even if their drafters used weaponized ambiguity. People accused me of not reaching out, which I have been for months[. Dont worry brother[.] And then, of course, mine was more thorough. . Thats why youll always see me warning against SSPX even though its trending now and him riding the wave. Too many apologists are gurus with groupies. Lets appeal to civility Ironic to have to say, because we produced 100+ really good shows on difficult topics over the course of 15 mos. I dont believe (never have) as Dave does that formal schism is most likely. Please say a prayer for me. Only dad does. And what will happen after the Pontificate of Francis, if a conservative Pope is elected? For the penalty for formal schism is automatic excommunication, making him also unworthy to receive Communion. Such was my purpose for my rejoinder. Its not the first time. I await your reply, Taylor Its sophistical to claim (ever) that its too late for civility. Radical Catholic reactionaries love to habitually go up to the line but not quite goover it. (2:00 PM), Yes theres a new theology that needs to be rejected. Maybe, but his schism is not. David, author Stephanie Gordons brother-in-law, told The Pillar that crucial sections of Ask Your Husband were plagiarized from his own unpublished critique of feminism. It is sheer blatant hypocrisy for him to also say that no one can judge the Pope. I cant fully access Taylor Marshalls tweets because he blocked me, but I can get at some: I am grateful to the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X, by whom our Marshall family received the Resurrected Body of Christ on this Easter Morn. Lets take this offline, bro. David told The Pillar he still plans to publish a protracted treatment of feminism, which will include his allegedly purloined scholarship on the subject, and be published by his employer, Church Militant. Misogyny is a specific intent crime, is it not? One has the right to defend ones reputation[.]. I used to believe this nonsense as well. This shouldnt be engaged in public. But youre not understanding that conciliar documents need to be interpreted under the construction most optimally faithful to Tradition, wherever possible. (9:50 PM), Clarify where correct; apologize where incorrect. Do any have a Mandatum from their bishop to teach? I took it to TAN. I cant do UNITY alone. For my part in some irreverent jesting in the wake of this spat, Im sorry. Advocating for a restoration of Christian patriarchy has been a central theme for the brothers. 2 or 3 of them. Shall we list the many who have done this? Not just VC2. There are certainly a few factors, as with all etiologies, but I speculate that his evolution regarding SSPX was probably one of them. He judges the Supreme Pontiff to be guilty of teaching heresy on multiple serious points of doctrine. Of course, they are no ordinary brothers. Kelly. I am living my life and have no time for their judgments over my soul and my family. But we are fallen sinners, and God is merciful. Abby Johnson on Pro Life State Bans w Dr Taylor Marshall Tim Gordon Fr Dave Nix: 05/29/2019: 254: Taylor Marshall Meets Pope Francis (Plus Cardinal Burke on Patriotism and Natural Law) . (4-12-20: Easter Sunday, 6:25 AM), Shots fired by Retrograde Gordon Bros against Marshall. As Faramir says of war: sin makes corpses of us all. David published a June 2020 Church Militant essay which argued that Christian feminism - a notion advanced under the aegis of Pope St. John Paul II - is a flagrant lie it's smoke and mirrors intended to beguile credulous Christian men into an emasculated stupor.. My position is that, before the fact of our sinfulness, God wills that everyone know the fullness of truth, and so He wills everyone to be Catholic. Im arguing that they failed by not clearly articulating their modernism[.] Fr. And JP2 was FAR more modernist than he acknowledges, but the point is that Daves tweet to Taylor was 100.0000% civil. So Taylor Marshall is publicly accusing Pope Francis of teaching multiple heresies. David Gordon says his sister-in-law Stephanie did just that, by lifting a central section of Ask Your Husband from his own efforts. Under the dogma of the First Vatican Council, no valid Pope can possibly teach heresy or grave error, nor fail in faith. For their good and mine and all of us, Im officially ending this nasty Twitter feud. I used to watch Dr. Taylor Marshall, a Catholic theologian and blogger, quite a bit and he used to do these podcasts with fellow Catholic theologian Timothy J. Gordon. Marshall: I just dont see where anyone on earth can judge the Supreme Pontiff.. David said directly that he doubted his sister-in-law could have read and analyzed sociological scholarship cited in the book, adding that some sections were inconsistent with its overall tone and structure. It becomes like the infighting of pope-less Eastern Orthodoxy. He made it sound like he called back, Steve. Can we talk about that? Justice demands that I set the record straight. Care to say more than a drive-by insult, Fr Khouri? The current dust-up has far more potentially serious . You are wrong on all of these things. He was a Catholic for about 13 years. Those who reject the Magisterium, grasp at straws seeking its replacement. Timothy had tweeted earlier in the day on April 13th, at 4:34 PM and 5:33 PM: Regarding@TaylorRMarshall: Im happy to chat, do a show, slap high fives and come together about the (majority) stuff we agree on OR do a civil show about the (minority) stuff we disagree on. I was reading an article about a Florida proposal to install anonymous Jesus mingled with sinners throughout His earthly life. And if people dont like my tone, whatever. She reads the Bible like a good fundamentalist: literally and legalistically. He was acting as a good father. I ask everyone to pray for all parties involved. (9:54 PM), Just gotta retry each day for unity. Im saying that formal adherence to schismatic acts is a grave peril of attending the SSPX. Everyone KNOWS what the modernists were trying to do. (If recent history is a guide, I wont get a reply. Hes got a good heart and weve both had a hard year. Tim and David Gordon urged that attending Mass and receiving other sacraments from the SSPX could put a soul in peril. Bellarmine also condemned as proximate to heresy, the position that Vatican I made into heresy itself, that the Pope may be a heretic or may teach heresy. Catholics become schismatics when they reject the Pope as Teacher and Shepherd, when they reject his authority over doctrine and discipline. Catholic micro-celebrity is wholly meaningless and mostly fruitless. Thats why. And a ", Taylor Marshall vs. Timothy Gordon (Hatfields & McCoys Redux). But the debate should be: a) not avoided and b) CIVIL[.] An online support campaign that emerged after the firing raised his profile, and along with his brother David, Gordon wrote books and developed his own YouTube following, Tim launched a show for parish orphans and retrogrades, and the brothers authored a Rules for Retrogrades handbook together in 2021. Sorry to see him go, but pride goeth before a fall. (9:16 PM), Lets have robust discussion about the status of the SSPX (whom I still hold to be in objective schism) going forward, but in a spirit of Christian fraternity and unity. Self-described feminist singer Paula Cole had a hit single in 1996 titled Where Have All the Cowboys Gone, in which she bemoaned the dearth of real men (Where is my John Wayne; where is my prairie song; where is my happy ending; where have all the cowboys gone?). If so, please seriously consider a much-needed financial contribution. Why the biblical analogy of Christ as Bridegroom and the Church as Bride remains the fundamental truth of the relationship between the sexes. When it's just laymen running these one-man apostolates, which are very much self-promoting and self-glorifying, there's a danger of people falling into serious grave mortal sin in order to get more money. Cuz the Church wont clarify. Submit your mind and heart to the Vicar of Christ, as to Christ himself. I just dont want this dragging out in public. (11:30 PM), Dave and I guessabout the status of SSPX differently. I heard he was mad about some of them, have helped you (by Gods grace) to decide to, , or better understand some doctrines and, Or you may believe my work is worthy to support for the purpose of apologetics and evangelism in general. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxoUW3Tn01Y. I would never frag ya[.] From what I understand, Tim fulfilled his shows and is now doing his own thing. The largest imaginablepublic detraction w/ extremely sensitive private info you had as a family friend. (12:11 AM), The attempts to throw Dave under the bus are silly. Required fields are marked *. Catholics are drama queens, People were accusing me of not reaching out to Taylor. But in an April 2020 tweet, Tim said that his contract with Marshall was not renewed against my wishes.. It is also a schismatic statement, since no one submits their minds and hearts to a Pope whom they think has said heretical things. (8:50 PM), You bet. (Part 1), Francis Delalieu Embraced the Two Greatest Commandments. (1:47 PM), There were other pastoral councils that did not condemn a heresy. Some Thoughts on Where Not Bad People Might End Up, Of Artificial Intelligence and Human Folly, More on How I Understand and Interpret Revelation, Some Thoughts on Where Not Bad People Might End Up - Catholic Stand, Artificial Intelligence: What is it and Where is it Going? I was being snubbed. (with Timothy Gordon) by The Counsel of Trent published on 2019-10-25T20:58:14Z In this episode Trent Horn and Timothy Gordon discuss his new book "No Christian Feminism" and whether feminism is incompatible with the . The SSPX equaling formal schism stuff is wrong, as far as I know. Do you think that your enthusiasm for the new Pope erases your sins of heresy and schism? (4-13-20, 12:16 AM). And it feels like a worse betrayal because it was family.. And most of these people think youre scum just for going to the Novus Ordo. are the easiest: just send to my email address: apologistdave@gmail.com. Answer: They disagree about the SSPX and stopped being as good friends. He is putting himself above the Pope, to judge his teachings to be gravely erroneous. EWTN, Catholic Answers or their personal blog? Currently, he resides in central California with his wife and six children, where he writes and teaches philosophy and theology. He was acting as a good father. (10:22 PM), Taylor, can you tell me in a sentence why SSPX is necessary when FSSP exists? It needs to stop. People like Matt Fradd and Briand Holdsworth assess things from a Catholic perspective, while people like Patrick Coffin and Taylor Marshall assess things, including Catholic topics, from their political . He wont call back. Truly care for him. Irrelevant. But that influence wasnt plagiarism, he said. But David said his brothers argument misses the point. (4-16-20, 3:20 PM). ], Im not a grudge holder. You are wrong on all of these things. Please disown that[.] Neutral and objective. But while both Gordon brothers have made their living in far-right circles of the Catholic internet, David said his plagiarism charge is about more than his own corner of Catholicism, and about far more than a dispute between brothers. David Gordon said it would have been futile to contact his brother about the dispute. However, around Easter of 2020 (during the pandemic), I found a bunch of people suddenly debating each other in Catholic . Truly care for him. This shouldnt be engaged in public. I was being snubbed. whilst simultaneously supporting burgeoning numbers of professional scribes. Bottom line: Timothy Gordon is clearly trying to reach out to Taylor and stop the disunity; Taylor Marshall wants no part of it. But Trads have flatly misunderstood religious freedom in Dignitatis: read Leo XIIIs IMMORTALE DEI 36, which Trads reject Dave and I agree 100%about Dignitatis[.] And most of these people think youre scum just for going to the Novus Ordo. Or I could say women need to be in the home because I hate them and I don't want to see them in society., Its silly to say that Dave Gordon is a misogynist and its rash, imputing to me a motiveIts as silly as saying that Im racist because I dont believe in affirmative action. You are wrong on divorce and remarriage, and absolution and Communion for people living in objective sin. Acta non verba. We must not fear differences. For Bishop Barron to refuse a debate with Dr. Taylor Marshall, simply on the grounds that Marshall wrote Infiltration, not only substantiates Marshall's argument that the hierarchy in the Church has been infiltrated, but also furthers a narrative of what I call the Episcopal Leviathan. that every Pope has immunity from error by the gift of God, divinely-conferred. When they reach the seventh accusation against Pope Francis, Marshall again accuses the Pope of heresy. I think its best for women, and theyre happiest, when theyre in their God-given roles which the popes have spoken about in an unbroken lineage going back to St. Peter.. Tim appeared regularly on Marshalls YouTube show until early 2020, with the pair calling themselves TNT - Taylor and Tim. But shortly after it became public that the book had been pulled from publication, David Gordon called The Pillar he said he was calling to explain what had happened, to vindicate my rights in my manuscript.. Pope St. Leo IX: By passing a preceding judgment on the great See, concerning which it is not permitted any man to pass judgment, you have received anathema from all the Fathers of all the venerable Councils. On 15 April 2020 I documented the fracas when Marshall abruptly terminated the contract of his associate in many videos, Timothy Gordon. He never said. David told The Pillar that a chapter of Ask Your Husband was mostly paraphrased and sourced from a chapter he wrote in 2019, for a book he had expected to publish with his brother, Tim - Stephanies husband. If youre tired of politically correct mediaspeak, you want to see God back in the public square, and youre not allergic to having a laugh, you will love this podcast. The signatories to the Open Letter have committed heresy, and so has Taylor Marshall, by rejecting the teaching of the Council that no Pope can teach or commit heresy. Reaching out to a brother in Christ is ALWAYS good advice. Indeed I read last night, on one of Taylor Marshall's latest tweets, that he has blocked Timothy Gordon and also his wife as well I think. Tons of defamatory theories swirling about my motives and about the TnT breakup itself (which Marshall is conspicuously failing to correct). Tons of defamatory theories swirling about my motives and about the TnT breakup itself (which Marshall is conspicuously failing to correct). But the other fault lines inherent in such an arbitrary and quasi-schismatic movement were bound to come out sooner or later. Timothy replied in that discussion thread: Its not a matter of opinion. Now, recall (above) when Taylor Marshall said that if you accuse the Pope of heresy you also have to say: And therefore I am not in communion with him. Well, he is accusing the Pope of heresy, so he is not in communion with him. but for all negative comments about them. (3:04 PM), I dont believe (never have) as Dave does that formal schism is most likely. Get thicker skin. Click here for a list of my Roman Catholic theology books and booklets, including books about the future. I await your reply, Taylor Its sophistical to claim (ever) that its too late for civility. To learn about the different methods of contributing, including 100% tax deduction, etc., see my page: Thomas Splettstoesser (8-15-06):atomic structure of profilin in comlex with actin, PDB code 2BTF, cartoon representation, rendered with PyMol, Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists, Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists, Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, About Catholic Apologist Dave Armstrong / Donation Information, Traditionalism vs. We have to be able to have discussion intellectually, w/o the fomenting of the emotions. Now lets review the teaching of the Church on the subject of the papal gifts of immunity from error and a never-failing faith. A subreddit to help you keep up to date with what's going on with reddit and other stuff. Its contrary to the Councils, Tradition, Fathers.. (2:04 PM), I dont think theyre formally schismatic, but its a case by case determination that is impossible to make unless you speak to the individual Kook yelling novus ordo is invalid! (2:14 PM), Just tried calling you. Marshall: Honestly, Tim, I think Ive said this before, this statement bothers me more, I think its more heretical, more grievous than anything in Amoris Laetitia. I assume Tim wants to spend his time working on a podcast that makes him money rather than making Taylor Marshall money ManousBS1Each 3 yr. ago No they're still friends. Thank you! He specifically said that the plurality of religion is due to the permissive will of God. (3:17 PM), Imagine being me in this situation. Lets take this offline and chat by phone later, yes? Verses are not contextualized in the scope of scripture as a whole, or even within the biblical book itself., Ask Your Husband is an earnest attempt to respond to some real problems in our culture, ones that plague many marriages, Favale wrote. Gordon Dalbey. In a Catholic World Report review, Favale wrote that Ask Your Husband makes no attempt at a coherent theology of marriage or womanhood., Favale said the books author proof-texts, pulling quotes from scripture, magisterial texts, and random websites (gotquestions.org?) Also for the record, Ive never been certain why Taylor opted for non-renewal during the peak of TNT popularity. It is fixable. All else is minutiae[.] Marshall then objects to the phrase in the Open Letter heretical Pope. Is there actually a breaking point? And since Marshall does accuse Pope Francis of heresy, later in the video, he is not in submission or communion with the Pope. ), the blog of Ronald L. Conte Jr., Roman Catholic theologian and Bible translator, Conservative Papal Accusers are Fortunate Pope Francis isLiberal, Taylor Marshall was a Catholic for 13 years. So Marshall believes that Pope Francis has espoused particular heretical ideas. The basic distinction between masculine and feminine, and why the sexes are not equal but complementary. Take it up with them. Anyone who accuses any Pope of teaching material heresy, or committing heresy is guilty of heresy, for rejecting the dogma that Popes cannot teach or commit heresy, and is guilty of schism, for refusing submission to the Pope. And a lot of those deeper points, its like, Oh, thats her brother-in-law. So I dont think much of the book, to be honest. And yet you complain that the divorced and remarried may receive Communion despite their objectively grave sins. At around the same time, David was hired as a copy editor and writer for the Church Militant website. He injects these fascinating interviews with his own distinctive blend of depth and levity. Delighted to hear that! Calling FSSP bootlicking (as many who were supporting your tweet were doing) IS fragging. by Steph would have known which encyclicals.. I've had temptations myself I think I've treated Pope Francis a little bit harshly, when I've spoken about him, partly because I want to keep something interesting. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. R4R is going to settle the debate in the coming weeks. And he states this again, more specifically later in the video. Hence, we will see divisions and in-fighting amongst the reactionaries when one makes a move further right, because being a reactionary is all about being ones own pope (the more so, the more influential and famous one becomes within the movement). Haven't seen a post from you in ages. Meaning inheres in text, not intention. FOLLOW Tim:Gab: @TimotheeologyParler . NOT TOO LATE! In another video, Taylor Marshall says this: I think the Pope has said heretical things. You are wrong on divorce and remarriage, and absolution and Communion for people living in objective sin. Sorry Gordons, but this seems to be the only way. I think Im a great champion for women. It was long overdue, though completely predictable. Something happened to men in the last 50 years. And David says the disagreement over the book is a warning about troubling tendencies among far-right conservative Catholic YouTube and social media personalities, many of whom have gained large followings among young Catholics in recent years. Someone close to Taylor, tell him to return my call. He later revealed exactly why he was snubbed: For the annals of history: I didnt leave. I was non-renewed against my wishes. Another wrong SSPX talking point. God forgive me for anything negative or incorrect that I have ever said about the SSPX. . There's a race to put out product and sell merchandise to cult-like fans, to Jonestown-esque fans, who will defend you no matter what you do. David and his brother Tim Gordon are public personalities and influential figures among a certain set of young, self-styled conservative, very online Catholics Tim is a YouTube personality once associated with the polemicist author Taylor Marshall, and David is a writer and editor at the website Church Militant. (9:16 PM), Also for the record, Ive never been certain why Taylor opted for non-renewal during the peak of TNT popularity. The pope is a valid pope, but only worthy to be bashed and lied about week in and week out. Another wrong SSPX talking point. Lets take this offline and chat by phone later, yes? Press J to jump to the feed. He never said. (4-14-20, 8:58 AM). (1:50 PM), Thats what we are saying: we KNOW the intent was bad. There's a race to create catchy headlines. You may not accuse the Pope of heresy. So theres this discrepancy there, you can tell what was her original thought, because its a lot of pop culture tropes that are being regurgitated, and then shell throw in something thats a deeper point, he added. These types of religions hinder the path of salvation, and are will by God only in the sense that He wills to permit sin because of free will. I can get over combat fast, cuz Ive done a lot of literal and figurative fighting[.]. The SSPX is the only church in town that is not a total joke and does not desecrate the eucharist. I don't know what happened first, but since then, what little I have listened to from Dr. Marshall, Voris, and Gordon since then has not mentioned each other by name at all, telling me that things might not be so amicable. Timothy Gordon replied on 4-13-20, at 8:36 PM and 8:54 PM: Agreed. Show me where I called you a single name. Whether you agree with Marshall or not, Francis publicly stated that the diversity of religions falls under the permissive will of God. Tim said he okayed her to use Davids text as a resource for her book while the brothers held a joint copyright over the material and even if he hadnt, his brothers claim is dramatically overstated, he said. Conservative/Christian Talk Radio! But despite the apparent similarities in topic and content, David told The Pillar he thought much of Ask You Husband was claptrap.. (10:21 AM), Honestly: All I care about is the truth. But the debate should be: a) not avoided and b) CIVIL, Nobody wants the Catholic infighting, Taylor. Yet he also says that no one may judge the Pope. (3:43 PM), The point of departure was NOT receiving Communionwhich is licit all things consideredbut the apology for not just inaccurate statements about SSPX (which is great!) this morning, actually. I recently chronicled the split between Taylor Marshall and his cohort Timothy Gordon, with whom he had made over 100 videos. Tim, meanwhile, told The Pillar that Ask Your Husband will soon be available for its eager readers. When a guru, as in John Corapi falls many are scandalized, some in my parish are just now returning to the Church. (9:58 PM), Someone close to Taylor, tell him to return my call. As they go through the seven accusations, Marshall and Gordon essentially assume that Francis does teach these seven alleged errors. I dont care about the business model. Wish ALL of them into the Kingdom of Heaven[. I resist him to his face.. One has the right to defend ones reputation, For the annals of history: I didnt leave. I was non-renewed against my wishes. Or admit that you have fallen into grave sin out of pride in the brightness of your own thoughts. And thats just what it is, guessing. The Spirit also works with unbelievers, such as atheists and agnostics, so that they might find salvation by loving their neighbor, and thereby may implicitly know and love God. Spinnak3r 3 yr. ago Along with the Muslims, we are the descendants of the same Father, Abraham: why does God allow many religions? David told The Pillar that TAN informed him it had discontinued the sale and publication of Ask Your Husband in light of his allegation. However, around Easter of 2020 (during the pandemic), I found a bunch of people suddenly debating each other in Catholic circles regarding Marshall and Gordon (taking sides, calling the other side uncharitable, etc) and that, somehow, fellow internet Catholic Michael Voris of Church Militant got involved. It is unsurprising the books use a few similar phrases, Tim said, since Davids family was living with Tim and Stephanie when all three Gordons were writing books on the same subject. 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